Showing posts with label Depositions. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Depositions. Show all posts

Wednesday, April 26, 2023

The Abby Grossberg Saga: Botched Deposition Review and More

 


Abby Grossberg, the Fox News producer who was fired after filing a law suit against the network alleges that the Fox legal team coerced her into giving misleading answers during her deposition and not providing her with the deposition to review and correct. If true, it provides lessons on how not to behave when preparing a deponent and that the deponent should be given an opportunity to review and correct the deposition.

Doing It Right

The following is an excerpt from Pretrial Advocacy, 6th edition describes what should happen after the deposition is taken:

“After the deposing officer (reporter) who took the deposition delivers the transcript or recording to the attorney who defended the deposition, the deponent has the next 30 days to review the transcript, correct it, and sign it. Fed. R. Civ. P. 30(e). Under Rule 30(e)(1), the deponent is not limited to correcting mistakes in form made by the transcriber and can make changes in substance, too. The Rule requires that the changes be listed and be accompanied by reasons for the changes. In the absence of a reason, opposing counsel could move to strike the correction.

“Ordinarily, when the defending lawyer receives the transcript, the lawyer will have the deponent review it either on her own, making notes as she goes, or with the lawyer. Then, the lawyer and deponent complete an errata sheet listing the corrections as well as the reasons for them.

“An example of a correction on the errata sheet of a transcriber error might read: Page 37, l. 5 ‘I have an idea when my secretary received the memorandum. You’d have to ask her.’ should read ‘I have no idea when my secretary received the memorandum. You’d have to ask her.’

“An example of a correction as to substance on the errata sheet might read: Page 37, l. 5 “I have an idea when my secretary received the memorandum. You’d have to ask her.” should read “It arrived June 5.” Reason: The deponent was mistaken and recalls that his secretary received the memorandum on June 5.

“The errata sheet is returned to the deposing officer, who attaches it to the officer’s certificate that the witness was duly sworn and that the deposition accurately records the deposition testimony. The officer packages the deposition, labels and seals it, and sends it to the attorney who ordered the transcript.

“When changes are made, it is as though defending counsel had examined the witness. Changes may cause the lawyer who originally ordered the deposition to seek a court order to allow further examination on the changed matter. At trial, the deposing attorney can utilize the uncorrected transcript, and the defending attorney can offer into evidence the correction under the rule of completeness. Fed. R. Evid. 106.”

Doing It Wrong

According to Abby Grossberg’s account, the Fox lawyers botched it. They didn’t provide the deposition, which would have allowed her to change what she said during her deposition. According to news reports, Grossberg later did fill out the errata sheet with the answers that she says were the correct answers to her questions and explained how she was coached into giving inaccurate responses. 







Tuesday, June 9, 2020

VIDEO DEPOSITIONS & ZOOM MEETINGS—LIGHTS , CAMERA FRAMING AND MORE

With the use of Zoom and other virtual meeting places these days, everyone is becoming more conscious of how they look on camera.

For video depositions, the room, the lighting and how the videographer frames the witness has been not just important for ascetic reasons but also dictated by court rule. Here are the rules and some tips on lighting, camera framing and more that you may wish to adapt to your next video deposition and your appearance on the next video conference so you look your best.

Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 30(5)(B) states: “Conducting the Deposition; Avoiding Distortion. . . . The deponent's and attorneys’ appearance or demeanor must not be distorted through recording techniques.”

Washington State Superior Court Rule 30 (b)8(F) provides: “The area to be used for video recording testimony shall be suitable in size, have adequate lighting and be reasonably quiet. The physical arrangements shall be fair to all parties. . . 

Regarding lighting, natural lighting is the best. However, if that’s not possible, find Hemmingway’s clean well-lighted place.

For a video deposition and perhaps your Zoom meetings, the camera should be close to eye-level. If the camera angle is from below, it can leave the impression the witness is powerful and for your Zoom meeting you might want that. But for a deposition, eye-level is a neutral camera angle and the required one. If the camera angle is from above, it will make the witness or you look weak or small. You wouldn’t want that for yourself, and, although you might like it for an adverse witness, it would contrary to a rule requiring that the “deponent’s appearance or demeanor not be distorted.”

Monday, January 8, 2018

DEPOSITIONS: LEARNING FROM AND WITH COURT REPORTERS

Law students taking and defending a deposition with court reporters
To give the law students a complete experience of taking and defending a deposition, we have them take a deposition with court reporters transcribing their work. At Seattle University Law School, we have a three-day intersession course entitled “Essential Lawyering Skills” that focuses on professional communication, and a major component of the course deals with depositions. The law students read about how to conduct depositions in their Pretrial Advocacy text, receive a lecture on depositions and discuss how to take and defend a deposition. Then, they take a deposition  (we have students who are not taking the course act as witnesses for the depositions).

As part of the instruction, Lori Repozo, who is in charge of the Court Reporting program at Green River College, provided the students with practical advice on how lawyers should and shouldn’t take and defend a deposition. For instance, Ms. Repozo discussed the importance of making a proper record and how to do it.

During the presentations Ron Cook did realtime reporting, and the students went online to follow along as Ron transcribed what was said. He also provided the students with advice about working effectively with a court reporter. Mr. Cook is remarkably skilled; he is the 2016 and 2012 National Court Reporting Association (NCRA) gold medalist in realtime Q&A and holds the Registered Diplomate Reporter (RDR) Certification, the NCRA’s most prestigious certification. Also, Ron Cook has been Washington State’s speed champion. 

Later, the students were divided into workshop groups, and Green River students who are learning how to be a court reporters (pictured above), were present in the workshops performing as they would during a real deposition, swearing in the deponent, writing what is said and handling the exhibits. Having the court reporters present brings the deposition experience alive and prepares the law students for what they will face in practice.


Following the course, the reporters prepare transcripts that are delivered to the students. This enables the students to see how they performed – how what they said looks in the transcript. The reporters do not clean up the transcripts, allowing the students to see their filler “um”s and “ok”s.

Monday, January 16, 2017

COURT REPORTERS: MAKING A RECORD

We just finished a three-day intersession course entitled Essential Lawyering Skills at Seattle University Law School that focuses on professional communication, and a major component of the course deals with depositions. The law students read, receive a lecture on and discuss how to take and defend a deposition.

As part of the instruction, Lori Rapozo, who is in charge of the Court Reporting program at Green River College, provided the students with practical advice on how lawyers should and shouldn’t take and defend a deposition. For instance, Ms. Rapozo discussed the importance of making a proper record and how to do it.

During the presentations Ron Cook (pictured above) did realtime reporting, and the students went online to follow along as Ron transcribed what was said. He also provided the students with advice about working effectively with a court reporter. Mr. Cook is remarkably skilled; he is the 2016 and 2012 National Court Reporting Association (NCRA) gold medalist in realtime Q&A and holds the Registered Diplomate Reporter (RDR) Certification, the NCRA’s most prestigious certification. Also, Ron Cook is the current Washington State speed champion. 

Later, the students are divided into workshop groups, and Green River students who are learning how to be a court reporters, were present in the workshops performing as they would during a real deposition, swearing in the deponent, writing what is said and handling the exhibits. Following the course, the reporters prepare transcripts that are delivered to the students. This enables the students to see how they performed – how what they said looks in the transcript. The reporters do not clean up the transcripts, allowing the students to see their filler “um”s and “ok”s. Having the court reporters present brings the deposition experience alive and prepares the law students for what they will face in practice.



During the course Lori Rapozo provided the law students with a 15-page handout entitled “Making the Record: A Guide for Attorneys,” published by the National Court Reporters Association. Every law student and fledgling lawyer who is planning to be involved in a deposition should read this monograph, and experienced litigators would benefit from reading it for its reminders. 

The following are a couple examples of tips contained in the monograph.

GOING OFF THE RECORD

Regarding going off the record, the Guide states:

MR. BRAUN: Off the record.
MR. JONES: No, I don’t want to go off the record.
MR. BRAUN: Well, this is my reporter.

The “this” Mr. Braun refers to is in fact an officer of the court, impartial,and the property of no one. The reporter’s duty is to prepare a full and accurate record of proceedings. In most jurisdictions, only when all counsel agree will the reporter stop writing. At this point , the reporter will indicate in the transcript, “(discussion held off the record.)”  The reporter will not start writing again until directed to do so by all counsel.

REMEMBER, SPEED KILLS

The Guide offers this reminder along with an explanation:

In an average day, the court reporter will write anywhere from 30,000 to 50,000 words. It is best for everyone that this not occur within the first two hours.

As with other aspects of life, the pace of legal proceedings has increased over the years. People simply talk faster than they used to. The average rate of speech now is estimated to be 150 to 160 words per minute, or about two and one-half words per second. In the heat of trial or deposition, it’s not unusual for speech to approach double that rate. At around 200 words and above per minute, speech tends to become slurred and indistinct, making it more likely that words will be misheard. . .


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Saturday, January 2, 2016

PRETRIAL ADVOCACY #1 BEST SELLER



Pretrial Advocacy: Planning, Analysis, and Strategy, Fourth Edition, published by Wolters Kluwer (Aspen Coursebook Series) has just been designated by Amazon as the #1 best seller in the law-deposition category based on sales.

Saturday, February 14, 2015

THE RIGHT AND WRONG WAYS TO PREPARE YOUR WITNESS FOR DEPOSITION

This month, the King County Bar Association Bar Bulletin  published Thomas M. O’Toole’s excellent recommendations on how to prepare a deponent. Mr. O’Toole is the President of Sound Jury Consulting, and his following advice is well worth reading and heeding:

            The deposition performance of a key witness is critical to the outcome of any case. Summary judgment motions are often won or lost on the testimony of central witnesses. Even when the case survives summary judgment, unfortunate behavior or answers in depositions can have a detrimental impact at trial, leading jurors to dislike or distrust the witness, which lowers their motivation to want to find in favor of the party that witness represents.

            I often receive calls from attorneys who are looking for a witness preparation session just before trial for a difficult witness.  The typical explanation is that the witness performed poorly in his or her deposition and needs to improve for trial. These calls are frustrating because, while I am happy to help, there is no need for a witness to perform poorly in a deposition. There are a variety of strategies attorneys can use to position a key witness for success in his or her deposition. Unfortunately, these strategies are often not used and attorneys instead rely on deposition preparation sessions with witnesses that create more problems than they do solutions.

            The purpose of this article is to discuss the right and wrong ways to prepare a witness for a deposition. All key witnesses should go through this process. Attorneys should avoid making an assumption that a witness will perform well in a deposition because he or she is smart, sociable, or a good communicator. The trenches of daily life vary greatly from the trenches of a deposition. Skill sets that make a person successful in daily life do not necessarily translate to or prepare a witness for a deposition. There is no greater example of this than former President Bill Clinton. Clinton’s defining trait was his communication skills. He was a smart, charismatic man who was known for his ability to adapt to just about any situation and demonstrate excellent communication skills in the process. When he was deposed in the Paula Jones sexual harassment lawsuit, most expected a solid performance. The American Spectator described Clinton as the kind of witness “who would strike fear into the hearts of opposing lawyers.”  However, his performance was anything but. The American Spectator went on to describe him as “an unsophisticated witness, revealing a desire to please the opposing lawyer, and telling prepared stories that suggested he had lots to hide.”

            In order to understand the right ways to prepare a witness for a deposition, let’s start by looking at the wrong ways to prepare a witness. The typical preparation session between a witness and an attorney involves both of them sitting down in a conference room for a few hours or more and talking through the case. The attorney probes the witness on issues the attorney needs to know more about and gives the witness all sorts of advice on how to talk about different issues in the case. The session usually ends with a homework assignment for the witness requiring him or her to review a bunch of documents and try to remember an unreasonable amount of items.

            There are several reasons this approach fails. First, the witness will not remember the majority of what he or she was told. All of the studies on recollection suggest the witness will remember about 10-20% of what he or she was told in that session. Second, the witness is not given the opportunity to practice the testimony, which is critical. Witnesses need the experience dealing with all of the standard attorney tricks. They learn this through actual practice. Third, all of the tips and advice from the attorney can be overwhelming. Depositions are intimidating enough and now the attorney has piled on all sorts of “important” things the witness “must” remember. In short, this cramming approach does not work and can often backfire. Witnesses perform poorly when they feel overwhelmed and not in control.

            The difference between an ineffective and an effective prep session is what I would describe as an “attorney-centered” approach versus a “witness-centered” approach. The former focuses on the attorney’s needs while the latter focuses on the witness’s needs. The fundamental goal of any prep session should be giving the witness comfort and confidence, which are essential to a successful performance. Everything else derives from these two items. I often joke that witness prep sessions are actually therapy sessions. In this respect, the joke is half-true. Comfort and confidence empower a witness to see clearly and take control of what his happening in the deposition.

            Let’s now look at the practical strategies for giving a witness comfort and confidence.

1.    Determine what the witness can realistically accomplish in his or her deposition. This can vary greatly among witnesses and will impact the approach the attorney should take. For example, the goal for some witnesses may be as simple as not “bombing.” In another instance, the witness may be better suited to carry the weight of the case. An honest assessment is critical here. I have seen attorneys try to get witnesses to take on more than is realistic, which overwhelms them and ultimately leads to poor performances.

2.    Practice the deposition. The attorney should sit across from the witness in a conference room and pretend to be opposing counsel, asking all of the questions and deploying all of the standards tricks one would expect from opposing counsel. The witness should pretend it is the actual deposition. This gives the witness an opportunity to fail and learn from it, which is much more impactful and memorable than merely discussing the case for a few hours. Witnesses need to get used to the environment of a deposition and the failure to practice forces them to learn and adjust during the actual deposition. Conduct this practice in 10-15 minute segments and do not let the witness call “time out” when he or she is uncertain about how to deal with a question. The attorney needs to see how the witness will deal with it when he or she cannot call “time out.” Each 10-15 minute segment should end with a discussion of where the witness can improve as well as what he or she did well. Positive reinforcement in the form of the latter is critical to maintaining the witness’s comfort and confidence.

3.    Identify a few basic ground-rules and try to tie all of the feedback back to them. I usually start my prep sessions by explaining to the witness that depositions can be very easy if the witness just follows a few basic ground-rules. This helps ease stress and creates confidence in the witness that he or she will be able to get through the deposition without any major blunders. I usually provide four ground-rules. First, the fundamental task is to listen to the question and answer only that question as efficiently as possible, while correcting any problematic language or assumptions that need to be corrected. It’s the most painfully simple (but effective) tip for any deposition, yet witnesses get so overwhelmed that they lose sight of this simple, important rule. As part of this, I explain that listening is actually more important than talking in a deposition. Sometimes, I’ll ask witnesses to adopt the habit of rephrasing the question in their answer, which helps ensure they are listening and catching any problematic language or assumptions in the question. Second, I tell them that all of their answers should come from one of three places: what they personally know or remember, what the records show, or what their common practice was. Anything beyond these three sources is speculation and should be avoided at all costs. Third, I tell witnesses to not be afraid of saying “I don’t know” or “I don’t remember” if it is the accurate answer. Many witnesses treat depositions as a test where “I don’t know” or “I don’t remember” is a wrong answer. This leads to speculation and inaccurate answers. Finally, I tell them to own the facts, not run away from them. I will usually highlight what I believe the bullet-point summary of the case is and help them appreciate that there is nothing to run away from, which means a “yes” answer should not become a “yes, but…” answer followed by a lengthy explanation. These “yes, but…” answers sound defensive and suggests insecurity. The simplified, bullet-point summary of the case also helps witnesses understand and talk about the case in a more clear manner. In my experience, the vast majority of problems get back to the witness violating one of these four ground-rules. By keeping it short and simple and trying to tie feedback to these points, the witness will start to realize that he or she does not need to be intimidated or nervous and has the ability to take control of the deposition and perform well.

4.    Let the witness complain or rant. If something is bothering the witness about the case, the parties, or anything else, let him or her rant about it. It can be painful to listen to sometimes, but it is important for the attorney to understand what is going on for the witness and it is even more important for the witness to have an outlet for those concerns. If the attorney does not provide the outlet in the prep session, the deposition becomes the outlet. This results in long, rambling answers that become fodder for opposing counsel’s opening statement.

A whole book could be written about preparing witnesses for their depositions. It is difficult to limit the discussion to the length of an article for the Bar Bulletin since there are so many tips and tactics for improving a witness’s performance in deposition, but hopefully these tips provide attorneys with a good springboard for an effective witness preparation session. The key is practice. It is this experience and feedback that will best arm your witness for success in a deposition.

Thomas M. O’Toole, Ph.D., is president of Sound Jury Consulting, LLC, in Seattle.  You can learn more about Sound Jury Consulting at www.soundjuryconsulting.com.

Reprinted by permission of the author Thomas M. O’Toole. Originally published in the February 2015 issue of the King County Bar Association Bar Bulletin.  Reprinted with permission of the King County Bar Association.